Guest: Mark Dann. After reporting on state/church complaints and victories in Michigan, Tennessee, Florida and Indiana, we hear two versions of Dan Barker’s song “Beware of Dogma”: one by Dan and the other by Brazilian singer Sandra Belé. Then we speak with FFRF’s Director of Governmental Affairs Mark Dann about his work in Washington, D.C., to lobby for a secular government, science and reason.

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