We are preserving social distancing between state and church. FFRF attorney Sam Grover describes our recent free-speech victory against Texas Gov. Greg Abbott who removed our winter-solstice display from the state capitol. After hearing more comfort music — including Tom Lehrer’s “Vatican Rag” — we talk with eminent British philosopher and author A.C. Grayling about his new books, The History of Philosophy and The Good State.

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