We announce a new lawsuit to stop Oklahoma officials from creating the nation’s first religious public charter school. After hearing Rupert Brooke’s poem “Heaven” (from the point of view of a fish) set to music by Dan Barker, Annie Laurie Gaylor questions why so many Americans still believe in angels. Then, British author Sarah Bakewell tells us about her new book Humanly Possible: Seven Hundred Years of Humanist Freethinking, Inquiry, and Hope.

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