This week we complain about both major presidential candidates mixing religion and politics and pandering to faith voters. FFRF Attorney Sam Grover tells us about the firestorm that erupted in a west Texas high school after we complained about the Ten Commandments and a bible verse painted permanently on the wall, and also reports the mixed results of a federal decision in FFRF’s lawsuit challenging the Christian nativity in an Indiana high school. After hearing the Philip Appleman song “God’s Grandeur” (set to music by Dan Barker), we talk with journalist and author Lesley Hazleton about her new book Agnostic: A Spirited Manifesto.

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