“Thoughts and prayers” are no response to the tragedy of gun violence. Billy Graham’s death leaves a legacy of divisiveness and disrespect for state/church separation. After discussing the Russians using religion as a tool to meddle in US policies, we talk with the founder of Jordanian Atheists, Mohammed al Khadra, about the challenges of being a nonbeliever in a country that outlaws blasphemy and apostasy.

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