Guest: Larry Shapiro. President Biden should not have attended today’s divisive National Prayer Breakfast. U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin tells us why it is important to memorialize America’s “forgotten Founder” Thomas Paine. Then we speak with philosopher Lawrence Shapiro about his new book (co-written with Steven Nadler): When Bad Thinking Happens to Good People: How Philosophy Can Save Us From Ourselves.

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