FFRF lead attorney Rebecca Markert, celebrating 10 years at FFRF, updates us on the legal department’s past year of litigation and non-litigation victories for state/church separation. After hearing Joni Mitchell sing “Big Yellow Taxi” and Dan Barker sing “Bread & Roses” (in honor of Annie Laurie’s birthday), we talk with United Church of Canada pastor Gretta Vosper, an open atheist and author of With Or Without God, who is undergoing a “heresy trial” even though her congregation wants her to remain in the pulpit.

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