“Thoughts and prayers” are not enough. Violence — often prompted or exacerbated by religion — must be addressed with meaningful legislation. We encourage people this week to take action to protect state/church separation in Arizona, Delaware and Tennessee. After hearing Dan Barker’s song “Get Off Your Knees (And Get To Work),” we talk with former Madison Avenue adman John Follis about his award-winning documentary film, “Leaving God: Why I left God and why so many others are too.”

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