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Does Ethics Require God?

Debate between Dan Barker and Peter Payne
University of Wisconsin, Stevens Point
March 14, 2005

Dan Barker, a former minister who is now co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, debated Christian philosopher Peter Payne on the topic "Does Ethics Require God?" at the University of Wisconsin in Stevens Point on March 14, 2005. The event, sponsored by four campus groups, attracted a packed crowd of several hundred students as well as community freethinkers and FFRF members.

When Barker asked, "If God told you to kill me, would you do it?", Payne replied, uncomfortably, that if he were certain it was really God making the command, he would have to consider it. (See response card below.)

Standing: Professor James Sage (co-moderator), John C. DeLaporte IV (president of Comparative Religions Club), Prof. Dona Warren (co-moderator), Matthew Florence (president of the Philosophical Society), Joe Wilkinson (treasurer of Philosophical Society), Jake Eggener (treasurer of Students for Freethought).
Bottom row: John Jordens (Intervarsity Christian Fellowship), Pat Kuhl (president of Students for Freethought), Dan Barker, Peter Payne.
[Photo by Stefan Shoup]

Listen to the debate:

Debate Part I (MP3, 137.3 MB)
(small amount of static during the first couple minutes)

Debate Part II (MP3, 135.9 MB)
(the last few audience questions are missing)